system grounding questions

Posted by James Johnson on August 30, 2008, 12:27:39 PM

system grounding questions
talk about a confusing part of setting up an off-grid system correctly..Smiley Please give me some feedback.

12v system with 3 panels (1) 20watt (2) 40watt

question #1
1 ground for the combiner/array. A ground rod that is connected to the combiner "ground" buss bar. Connected to this ground buss bar are the following:
neg from the combined neg bus bar
ground wire from panels

question #2
a 2nd ground for the battery bank as follows:
neg from battery terminal to a "ground" bus bar
ground wire from all "metal" enclosures to same "ground" buss bar. This buss bar is then attached to a 2nd ground rod

question #3
(2) grounding rods connected with buried wire.
Do the rods need to be 6'-0" or more apart


any type of help with this confusing topic would be greatly appreciated.
 

Posted by Thomas Allen Schmidt on August 31, 2008, 12:24:58 PM

Re: system grounding questions (Reply #1)
http://photovoltaics.sandia.gov/docs/PDF/CodeCorner94.pdf

As you scroll down through the above article, you will see a wiring scheme that shows the EGC (equipment grounding conductor) from the PV array is bonded to Earth but, is not bonded to the negative output of the PV array at the combiner boxes, nor is the EGC bonded to negative at the battery bank.
 However, if you look at the EGC at the vdc input to the inverter it is bonded to the neutral conductor as well as Earth.
As well, the EGC is bonded to the neutral conductor at the main breaker panel, which is also bonded to Earth.

I would like to point out though, that this scheme is dated 2003. The NEC (National Electrical Code) makes changes and is revised every three years. The lastest set of codes starts with this years (2008) new code book.
http://www.nfpa.org/catalog/product.asp?pid=7008SB&order_src=A291

Reading the article, you will find out that the PV array was going to be installed on the rooftop of the dwelling. If this had been done, there would need to be a GFP (Ground Fault Protection) breaker installed in the PV source circuit as well. For more on this and other code compliant PV system information, go to - http://photovoltaics.sandia.gov/docs/John_Wiles_Code_Corner.htm
 

Posted by James Johnson on September 01, 2008, 11:19:30 AM

Re: system grounding questions (Reply #2)
Thanks for the links Thomas...things are becoming a bit more clear..slowly....It appears that there are way to many variations out there for grounding techniques.

So far it's totally obvious that I must ground all the metal equipment and module frames as well as the negative combined conductor at the combiner box....to a common ground rod..the most confusing part is the negative conductor at the battery...do I run a wire from the negative output off the battery to the same ground rod that is used at the combiner box?? OR Does it go to it's own ground rod and then I "bond" the 2 ground rods with buried copper wire?

NOTE: I am only using DC for power form the battery. NO inverter, No tie to AC..it is it's own little system

grounding seems to be the most confusing part of system install for sure


 

Posted by James Cormican on September 03, 2008, 11:50:15 AM

Re: system grounding questions (Reply #3)
truer words have not been spoken.  grounding baffles many, don't feel bad.

here is another link, and for a dc system, you would likely pull from your equipment grounding busbar to you grounding electrode conductor to your grounding electrode (ground rod).  in your small system, that would probably mean after you have grounded the modules and rails with the bare copper into the combiner, you would pull a positive, negative and ground into the dc load center.  there other necessary grounding conductors (controllers, enclosures) would meet on the equipment grounding busbar.  depending on where the modules are (on building or not on building for GFP) you may have to bond the negative and grounding conductors in the gfp, OR have to bond the two busbars with a bonding jumper.

perhaps that is helpful, hopefully i did not make it worse.

http://howto.altenergystore.com/Reference-Materials/National-Electric-Code-and-Solar-Electric-Systems/a45/

james
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Posted by James Johnson on September 03, 2008, 04:22:36 PM

Re: system grounding questions (Reply #4)
ohhh boy..I'm getting dizzy reading all this..Smiley

SO..

a separate ground rod at the combiner...which is grounding the following:

negative combiner bus bar
bare copper wire from module frames
a wire connecting all "metal" enclosures

this takes care of the PV input and the "enclosures"

so totally confused about what to do with the neg off the battery that goes to my DC distribution buss bar....in the words of Bill The Cat...Ackk!

James

 
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