Evergreen Panels listed as 18V not 24V Why?

Posted by James Cormican on May 16, 2008, 07:00:02 PM

Re: Evergreen Panels listed as 18V not 24V Why? (Reply #5)
nominal is not obsolete, look at the sizing guidelines for your controller. it says nominal right in there.  nominal is everywhere in off grid systems.  understanding the relationship between nominal voltage, vmp, voc, and number of cells (for crystalline modules) is what is important.  once you understand you can design using whatever components you want as long as they fit the parameters of your situation.

this thread started with the proclamation that those evergreen were really 24v moudles.  hopefully we both understand now that two of those in parallel would likely not work out so well on a 24v nominal system.

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Posted by James Rosenberger on May 16, 2008, 11:22:43 PM

Re: Evergreen Panels listed as 18V not 24V Why? (Reply #6)
I do understand now, thank you.

I realize now what was throwing me off. In the SunSaver MPPT manual it says on p.18:
"The SunSaver MPPT can accept 12v, 24v, or 36v nominal off-grid solar module arrays."

I think when I read this, 24v was stuck in my head.  It didn't occur to me that an odd nominal voltage between 12v & 24v existed.

Knowing the Evergreens are 18v nominal, I understand 2 wired in parallel would produce an 18v nominal array.  That won't work for a 24v system.  But 2 wired in series would produce a 36v nominal array, which would be fine for a 24v system.

One Final question on "Nominal" voltages.  How do you determine what a panel's nominal voltage is?  For example, the high wattage Sanyo panels have Vmp in the range of 52-56v.  Nowhere in the spec sheets does it mention its nominal voltage.  If it wasn't listed in the altestore "basic stats" of the panel, I would never know it's a 42v panel.  I might have guessed it to be 48v nominal.

Thanks for the education!
 

Posted by James Cormican on May 19, 2008, 11:29:50 AM

Re: Evergreen Panels listed as 18V not 24V Why? (Reply #7)
well for the 18v crowd, essentially we know how many volts per cell, which makes for standard cells per module numbers. 
12v have 36 cells, 24v have 72 cells, and 18v serves as a catch-all for everything in between although most will have 48-54 cells.  the evergreen i believe has 108, a multiple of 54.

for outliers, like sanyo, it is important to remember that nominal is a distinction based on batteries.  most modules nowadays go to grid tie, so batteries are irrelevant.  the sanyo has no real "nominal" voltage because it was never meant for battery charging, and does not tuck in nicely to a category based on voltages or cells.  that being said you can use them for battery charging, but open format mppt controllers must be used.

if 12v modules run at 17v, then 24v modules run at 34, and 36v nominal (if they existed, or two 18v in parallel) would run at 51v, then 48v modules (or strings to make 48) would run at 68v. 

being that the sanyo runs at 55v at stc, it is above 36v nominal, but below 48.  the 42 number we put on there serves mainly as a warning to those attempting to charge 48v battery banks on a sanyo module that will only get to 55v before temp deration and likely not be successful in charging a battery bank at 48v, especially in warm climates where temps draw voltage down.  the other side is that two of those modules in series in a cold climate will come very close to destroying mppt controllers with max vdc of 150.

good questions, some folks get turned off by this stuff, but i think the more you know, the more fun the system design is, and the more options you have open to you because of that understanding.

cheers,

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Posted by James Rosenberger on May 20, 2008, 11:49:17 AM

Re: Evergreen Panels listed as 18V not 24V Why? (Reply #8)
Thank you for the detailed response!  This all makes much more sense now.  I agree, knowledge can't hurt you  Smiley  It can only help to make better decisions moving forward!

thanks again!

 
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