Evergreen Panels listed as 18V not 24V Why?

Posted by James Rosenberger on May 15, 2008, 10:49:26 PM

Evergreen Panels listed as 18V not 24V Why?
These panels are really 24 Volts.  Why are they listed in the store as 18v?

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Posted by James Cormican on May 16, 2008, 09:57:27 AM

Re: Evergreen Panels listed as 18V not 24V Why? (Reply #1)
because these modules are not really 24 volts nominal

compare the VOC, VMP, and cell count to that of a 24v nominal module, and the difference is apparent.

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Posted by James Rosenberger on May 16, 2008, 03:12:28 PM

Re: Evergreen Panels listed as 18V not 24V Why? (Reply #2)
Hmm... now I'm confused..  I guess what does "nominal" really mean??  Is that the actual output voltage I'm going to see in real life?

This will really mess up my voltage drop calculations if that's true.  I have a 80ft run between my panel and my MPPT charge controller..  I thought I would get about 24v out of the panel during peak sun.  If I'm only going to get 18v that is a big difference.

Maybe we are just talking semantics/terminology here because the calculations don't make sense with 18v.
Evergreen ES-170:
18v x 6.72a = 120.96 Watts  vs. 25.3v x 6.72 = 170.016 Watts

I guess the "nominal" term makes sense looking at my controller capacity.  If the Evergreen was 24v Nominal, I would never be able to use 2 panels since I would exceed the 36v max input.  If it's 18v I can run 2 in series and not exceed any spec (as long as I have 24v battery).

Morningstar SunSaver MPPT:
Max Voc: 75v
36v PV Nominal Max
Nominal Max Input Power (solar array)
  with 12v battery - 200 watts
  with 24v battery - 400 watts
 

Posted by Chris Brown on May 16, 2008, 05:01:20 PM

Re: Evergreen Panels listed as 18V not 24V Why? (Reply #3)
This is from the Learn section of our site:

http://howto.altenergystore.com/Getting-Started-with-Renewable-Energy/Introduction-to-Solar-Electricity/a89/p4/

"PV modules have three different voltage ratings that it’s handy to understand. The Nominal voltage of a panel could also be called the “conversational voltage.” When we talk about the voltage of the panels and the other components of the system, we’ll most often use the nominal voltage. Nominal voltage actually refers to the voltage of the battery that the module is best suited to charge; this is a leftover term from the days when solar panels were used only to charge batteries. The actual voltage output of the panel changes as lighting and temperature conditions change, so there’s never one specific voltage at which the panel operates. Nominal voltage allows us, at a glance, to make sure the panel is compatible with a given system. The second voltage rating is the maximum power voltage (Vmp). This is the highest voltage the panel can produce while connected to a system and operating at peak efficiency. The third voltage is open circuit voltage (Voc). This is the maximum voltage that the panel can produce when not connected to an electrical circuit or system. Voc can be measured with a meter directly contacting the panel’s terminals or the ends of its built-in cables."

The Morningstar SunSaver MPPT specs are saying that the max Voc it can handle as an input is 75v and the max nominal PV input is 36v. So long as your charging a 24v battery bank you can connect two Evergreen ES panels wired in series into the controller.

When I'm doing voltage drop calculations I use Vmp for voltage.

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Posted by James Rosenberger on May 16, 2008, 05:37:15 PM

Re: Evergreen Panels listed as 18V not 24V Why? (Reply #4)
Thanks!  That does make perfect sense.  I should spend more time in the "learn" section  Smiley

Seems like "nominal" is pretty obsolete these days.  I tend to always reference Vmp.

Glad to know I was on track using the Vmp for my voltage drop calculations!
 
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